Watch Sizes
There are a number of different systems of measuring the size of a
watch. Which system you should use depends on who made the watch and
who you are talking to. In all the systems, the greater the number,
the larger the watch.
Elgin almost always used the Lancashire gauge, so it will be described
in the most detail.
Types of Watch Size Systems
- Lancashire gauge
- This is a bizarre system that was used by most American watch
companies and for many European watches that were imported into
America. Most pocket watch are described using this system.
Examples: 18s 16s 10/0s
- Metric (millimeters)
- This system is used by most modern watch companies to describe
their watches. Sometimes you will see it used to describe older
watches where the manufacture originally used a different system,
but this can lead to confusion.
Examples: 44.1mm 34mm
- Ligne
- This was the system used by most Swiss and French watch companies
before they switched to the Metric system. It comes from the
measurement system that the French used before they invented the
Metric system in the late 1700s. Why it was still used into the late
1900s for watches is anyones guess. Many wrist watches are described
using this system, although millimeters are also frequently used.
Examples: 17L 11¼L
- Dennison gauge
- This is a system used by the E. Howard Watch Company and it was
rarely used by other companies. Just to make life harder, it uses
letter designations instead of numbers. (Dennison was one of the
founders of the E. Howard company.)
Examples: N L
Which System To Use?
Considering all the different systems and the quirkiness of them, you
may wonder which one is "best" or which you should use. The short
answer is that watch companies advertised watches as being a certain
size, and collectors generally call those watches by whatever size the
watch company used. If you know exactly what you are doing, you can
usually measure the watch and come up with the same number as the
watch company, but not always. It helps a little bit that American
watch companies generally used only even numbered Lancashire gauge
sizes. The fact that most places don't even get the size in inches of
an 18s watch correct (see below) tells you how rarely watches are
actually measured.
Popular Watch Sizes Changed Over Time
Over the years, the sizes of watches have tended to shrink, so what
would be considered a small "woman's sized" watch in the 1850s would
be about the same diameter of a "man's sized" pocket watch in the
1920s. Men's pocket watches started out at 18s or even 20s in the
mid-1800s. By around 1910, the most common size had dropped to a 16s
and by the 1920s, it had dropped to a 12s. Women's pocket watches
started at 10s, then 6s and then 0s. The smaller of these watches
would often be worn as pendant watches that were hung on a chain from
the neck or attached to a broach. Watches reached their minimum size
in 1940s and 1950s and have gradually been getting larger since then.
After 200 years of shrinking watches, consumers stopped automatically
associating "smaller" with being "more modern" and "higher quality."
(See the "Wedding Ring
Test" Elgin advertisement for an extreme example of how small
watches became.)
The Lancashire Gauge (Used by Elgin)
The Lancashire gauge is one of the most common systems for measuring
watch sizes, and in many circles, it is used almost exclusively. It
is the system that Elgin used, and it is what is used on the rest of
this web site. Too bad it is such a strange system.
One of the first strange things that you will notice about this system
is the vast majority of explanations of the Lancashire gauge, along with the
gauges and tables that claim to measure it, are wrong! They fail to
take into account the change in the amount of "fall" for sizes over
16s. It should be remembered that most of these explanations, tables
and gauges were made after 1920, while most 17s, 18s and 20s watches were
made well before then.
The Lancashire gauge is based on the 0s being 1 inch in diameter, but
an additional 5/30" was added for the "fall", except when the size is
over 16s, in which case 6/30" was added for the "fall", except when the
larger watch was designed after around 1910 in which case only 5/30"
fall was added. The "fall" is the amount added to the dial plate (aka
bottom plate) to form a flange to keep the watch from falling out of
the case.
So, a 0s watch would be 1" + 5/30" = 1.1667". Each
step larger adds an additional 1/30 of an inch. Why 1/30" instead of
1/32" or something? I have no idea. As I've said, watch sizes are
crazy. A 6s watch would be
1" + 5/30" + 6/30" = 1 11/30" = 1.3667"
and an 18s watch would be
1" + 6/30" + 18/30" = 1.8".
Everything clear so far? Ok, well, there are actually a few more
exceptions to the Lancashire gauge, or at least how watch companies
sometimes used them. Sometimes the watch companies would use an
oversized dial and call the watch a different size. Sometimes watch
companies would list the same watch as being two different sizes
depending on which catalog you looked at.
Once watches got smaller than 0s, they first used the notation of
"00s" and "000s", but that quickly became awkward, so they changed to
using "2/0s" and "3/0s" instead. This is why you will never see a
watch size of 1/0s, and why a 3/0s watch is only 2 sizes smaller than a
0s watch. Wrist watches tend to range from 6s down to 26/0s for the
smallest lady's wrist watches.
More information on the quirks of the Lancashire gauge can be found in
the NAWCC bulletin #177 page 298 from August 1975 in an article
written by W. L. Pritchard.
The Metric System
Modern watches are just measured in millimeters. This is the easiest
and most logical system for measuring watches. Too bad most of the
old documents don't use it. Old watch sizes converted into
millimeters come up with odd numbers and using mm instead of what was
used in the original documentation can cause confusion.
The Ligne System
The Swiss used a different system based on the "Ligne" (which is
French for "line" and pronounced "line"). One Ligne is 2.2558291mm or
0.088812168 inches. Like the Lancashire gauge, this is an old system
but it makes a little more sense than the Lancashire gauge. There are
12 Ligne to one French inch (pouce, French for thumb) and 12 pouce to
a French foot (pied).
The Dennison Gauge
Aaron Dennison was one of the "Fathers" of the American watch
industry, and as such, he invented several standards of measuring
watches and mainsprings. The Dennison Gauge for watch sizes is based
on a size A being 1" and for each additional size larger, you would
add 1/16". The most common sizes were N (1 11/16), which is close to
18s and L (1 10/16), which is close to 16s.
What Exactly Is Being Measured?
The measurement to determine the size is supposed to be through the
widest part of the narrowest diameter. If the watch movement is
round, then you should measure across whichever plates are the
widest, whether the plates are on the top or the bottom or in the
middle. If the movement is rectangular, barrel shaped, or oval, you
still have to measure across whichever plates are widest, but you have
to use the narrow cross section which still goes through the center of
the watch. So, if you extend the length of a rectangular movement,
you won't change the size. If, instead, you change the width, you will
change the watch size. Did I mention that watch sizes are strange?
Table of Watch Sizes
This table can be used to convert a watch size from one system into
another. Numbers that are in
bold
are exact, as are the inches and
millimeters columns.
| Inches | Lanca- shire | Metric (mm) | Ligne | Denn- ison |
| 4.0000 | 85s | 101.600 | 45 | |
| 2.4000 | 37s | 60.960 | 27 | |
| 1.9333 | 23s | 49.107 | 21¾ | P |
| 1.9000 | 22s | 48.260 | | |
| 1.8750 | 20s | 47.625 | | O |
| 1.8667 | 20s | 47.413 | 21 | O |
| 1.8429 | 19s | 46.808 | 20¾ | |
| 1.8333 | 19s | 46.567 | | |
| 1.8206 | | 46.244 | 20½ | N |
| 1.8125 | | 46.037 | 20½ | N |
| 1.8000 | 18s | 45.720 | 20¼ | N |
| 1.7762 | 17s | 45.117 | 20 | |
| 1.7667 | 17s | 44.873 | | |
| 1.7540 | | 44.553 | 19¾ | M |
| 1.7500 | | 44.450 | 19¾ | M |
| 1.7318 | 16s | 43.989 | 19½ | |
| 1.7096 | 16s | 43.425 | 19¼ | |
| 1.7000 | 16s | 43.180 | | L |
| 1.6875 | | 42.862 | 19 | L |
| 1.6667 | 15s | 42.333 | 18¾ | |
| 1.6430 | 14s | 41.733 | 18½ | |
| 1.6333 | 14s | 41.487 | | K |
| 1.6250 | 14s | 41.275 | 18¼ | K |
| 1.6208 | | 41.169 | 18¼ | K |
| 1.6000 | 13s | 40.640 | 18 | |
| 1.5764 | 12s | 40.041 | 17¾ | |
| 1.5667 | 12s | 39.793 | | J |
| 1.5625 | 12s | 39.688 | 17½ | J |
| 1.5542 | | 39.477 | 17½ | J |
| 1.5333 | 11s | 38.947 | 17¼ | |
| 1.5098 | 10s | 38.349 | 17 | I |
| 1.5000 | 10s | 38.100 | | I |
| 1.4876 | | 37.785 | 16¾ | I |
| 1.4667 | 9s | 37.253 | 16½ | |
| 1.4432 | 8s | 36.657 | 16¼ | H |
| 1.4375 | 8s | 36.512 | 16¼ | H |
| 1.4333 | 8s | 36.407 | | H |
| 1.4210 | | 36.093 | 16 | |
| 1.4000 | 7s | 35.560 | 15¾ | |
| 1.3766 | 6s | 34.965 | 15½ | G |
| 1.3667 | 6s | 34.713 | | G |
| 1.3544 | | 34.401 | 15¼ | |
| 1.3333 | 5s | 33.867 | 15 | |
| 1.3125 | | 33.337 | 14¾ | F |
| 1.3000 | 4s | 33.020 | | F |
| 1.2878 | | 32.710 | 14½ | |
| 1.2667 | 3s | 32.173 | 14¼ | |
| 1.2500 | | 31.750 | 14 | E |
| 1.2434 | | 31.582 | 14 | E |
| 1.2333 | 2s | 31.327 | | |
| 1.2212 | | 31.018 | 13¾ | |
| 1.2000 | 1s | 30.480 | 13½ | D |
| 1.1875 | | 30.162 | | D |
| 1.1768 | | 29.890 | 13¼ | D |
|
| Inches | Lanca- shire | Metric (mm) | Ligne | Denn- ison |
| 1.1667 | 0s | 29.633 | | |
| 1.1546 | | 29.326 | 13 | |
| 1.1333 | 2/0s | 28.787 | 12¾ | C |
| 1.1250 | 2/0s | 28.575 | 12¾ | C |
| 1.1102 | | 28.198 | 12½ | |
| 1.1000 | 3/0s | 27.940 | | |
| 1.0879 | | 27.634 | 12¼ | |
| 1.0667 | 4/0s | 27.093 | 12 | B |
| 1.0625 | 4/0s | 26.987 | 12 | B |
| 1.0435 | | 26.506 | 11¾ | |
| 1.0333 | 5/0s | 26.247 | | |
| 1.0213 | | 25.942 | 11½ | |
| 1.0000 | 6/0s | 25.400 | 11¼ | A |
| 0.9769 | | 24.814 | 11 | |
| 0.9667 | 7/0s | 24.553 | | |
| 0.9547 | | 24.250 | 10¾ | |
| 0.9333 | 8/0s | 23.707 | 10½ | |
| 0.9103 | | 23.122 | 10¼ | |
| 0.9000 | 9/0s | 22.860 | | |
| 0.8881 | | 22.558 | 10 | |
| 0.8667 | 10/0s | 22.013 | 9¾ | |
| 0.8437 | | 21.430 | 9½ | |
| 0.8333 | 11/0s | 21.167 | | |
| 0.8215 | | 20.866 | 9¼ | |
| 0.8000 | 12/0s | 20.320 | 9 | |
| 0.7771 | | 19.739 | 8¾ | |
| 0.7667 | 13/0s | 19.473 | | |
| 0.7549 | | 19.175 | 8½ | |
| 0.7333 | 14/0s | 18.627 | 8¼ | |
| 0.7105 | | 18.047 | 8 | |
| 0.7000 | 15/0s | 17.780 | | |
| 0.6883 | | 17.483 | 7¾ | |
| 0.6667 | 16/0s | 16.933 | 7½ | |
| 0.6439 | | 16.355 | 7¼ | |
| 0.6333 | 17/0s | 16.087 | | |
| 0.6217 | | 15.791 | 7 | |
| 0.6000 | 18/0s | 15.240 | 6¾ | |
| 0.5773 | | 14.663 | 6½ | |
| 0.5667 | 19/0s | 14.393 | | |
| 0.5551 | | 14.099 | 6¼ | |
| 0.5333 | 20/0s | 13.547 | 6 | |
| 0.5107 | | 12.971 | 5¾ | |
| 0.5000 | 21/0s | 12.700 | | |
| 0.4885 | | 12.407 | 5½ | |
| 0.4667 | 22/0s | 11.853 | 5¼ | |
| 0.4441 | | 11.279 | 5 | |
| 0.4333 | 23/0s | 11.007 | | |
| 0.4219 | | 10.715 | 4¾ | |
| 0.4000 | 24/0s | 10.160 | 4½ | |
| 0.3775 | | 9.587 | 4¼ | |
| 0.3667 | 25/0s | 9.313 | | |
| 0.3552 | | 9.023 | 4 | |
| 0.3333 | 26/0s | 8.467 | 3¾ | |
| 0.3108 | | 7.895 | 3½ | |
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