Abbreviations used in the eBay Logs
The following is an incomplete list of the abbreviations that I
have used in the eBay logs:
- BWR FT Father GMW HZC TAY VER etc.
- These are the grade names for the watches, of which I have
only listed a few of the ones that I've used. The above
example are for "B. W. Raymond", "Father Time",
"G. M. Wheeler", "H. Z. Culver", "H. H. Taylor" and "Veritas",
but a complete list of names
- 6s 18s etc.
- This is the size of the watch. Sometimes smaller
movements are put in large cases, which I mark as "12s/6s" (or
- 7j 23j etc.
- The number of jewels the watch has.
- A number in the range of 1 to 999
- This is the Elgin "grade" number of the watch. If the
number might be confusing, (e.g. 7 which might be confused with 7
jewels), I will often list as "G=7" instead
- Hunter Case watch movement. The watch may not actually be
in a hunter case if I list things like "sidewinder" or "sec @ 3"
- A hunter case movement placed in an open face case. This
makes the stem where you wind the watch on the side at the 3
- sec @ 3
- A hunter case movement placed in an open face case with a
special dial that has the second hand at the 3 o'clock
- no sec
- There is no second hand on this watch.
- Open Face watch movement.
- "Convertible" This is a special type of watch movement
that can be placed in either a hunter case or an open face
- I use this for two things. First I use it for "Sweep
Second", that is, a watch that
has a second hand in the center of the watch with the hour and
minute hand. Secondly, I use it for "Single Sunk" dial.
There is a chance that I have also used it for "Stainless
Steel", "Sterling Silver", or "Stem Set". Which meaning is (usually) clear from the context.
- Double Sunk dial.
- "Roy Ehrhardt Dial". A well known watch collector named Roy
Ehrhardt has created a bunch of different pocket watch dials
made out of paper and plastic with colorful pictures on them.
I don't particularly like them because I think they won't
survive for 100+ years, but I guess they are better than junk
dials that were probably on the watch before Roy got them.
Roy is always careful to label these as "recent custom
dials" and puts a "blue dot" at the 45 minute marker. So, I
can't complain about people thinking these are original.
Other sellers, however, don't seem to be so "noble" about
noting modified dials. It appears that many have started to
print pictures directly on the dials, I think using ink-jet
type printers. The pictures look nice (at least when you
buy them, I don't know about 10-50 years from now), and they
can hide a lot of hairlines that would otherwise make the
dial less salable.
Besides pictures, I have also see a lot of product logos
that have been added to dials, such as "Harley Davidson",
"Indian Motorcycles", "Ford", "Santa Fe Railroad", etc.
Typically, these dials are found on lower quality watches.
- This watch has a Montgomery dial with each minute
individually numbered around the very edge of the dial.
- This watch has a Ferguson dial with large minute numbers
where most watches have the hour numbers, and smaller hour
numbers closer to the center.
- nice metal dial
- The metal dial shows very little, if any, wear or aging, is
bright and attractive.
- good metal dial
- The metal dial may show a little wear or aging, or it might
not be that attractive, but it is something that I wouldn't
mind showing off.
- ok metal dial
- Dial has obvious wear or age spots. I wouldn't
be embarrassed if someone saw it, but I wouldn't show it off
- poor metal dial
- I would not want to use this dial if I could avoid it.
- bad metal dial
- The dial protects the movement and keeps the parts in place.
Note that contrary to what many sellers advertise, metal
dials generally can not be "cleaned", any more than rust on
your car body can. You can get the dials "repainted"
(called a "redial"), although I've never done it.
- "Reserve not met"
This was a reserve priced auction, and the bidding did not meet
- "Reserve met" This was a reserve priced auction and the
reserve was met.
- "No bids" No one bid on this auction.
- For some reason I think this auction is way over priced.
- This watch has been seen elsewhere, I used to list the
eBay auction number and price it reached, but now I only do
that if there isn't a serial number to tie things together.
- This watch has a "Wind Indicator"
- Solid Gold
- Solid White Gold
- Gold Filled
- Either Coin or Sterling silver.
- A nickel alloys that goes by the
deceptive names of "Silveroid", "Silverine", "Silveride",
"Silverode", "Ore Silver", "Alaska Silver", "Nickeloid",
"Argentine Silver", "German Silver", "White Brass", etc.
These cases have NO silver content.
- Base Metal. A metal with little intrinsic value.
- This is a gold filled case with several different colors of
gold, much like "black hills" jewelry is. Often these are
very pretty, and they bring a premium price.
- Like Multi-Color only made out of solid gold.
- "Box hinge case" The case has extra heavy hinges. Adds a
lot of weight to a solid gold case.
- The case has ring that attaches to the movement, so that
the movement can "swing out of the case". This means the body
and the back of the case are all one piece and there is one
less place for dust to leak in and one less sharp edge for a
gold filled case to wear out at.
- A variation of the "swingout" case, only the front bezel
and the body/back piece are connected together with a hinge.
The front and the back open up like a clamshell. This is also
called a "trifold" because there movement, back/body and front
all fold together.
- Around 1900, it was somewhat common to create "fancy
enamel dials" that had lots of different colors and designs on
them. Very pretty.
- Just the watch movement, no case.
- parts watch
- A watch that is good only for salvaging parts from (if that).
- watch parts
- Good replacement parts from the factory